Blake and Eric Make an Action Flick

This ish is actually playing on Clement in the Richmond, the heart of SF's suburban Chinatown.

This ish is actually playing on Clement in the Richmond, the heart of SF's suburban Chinatown.

Editor’s note: Please click on comments below to hear from the Producer of Dogs of Chinatown, Blake Faucette and lead actor, Eric Jacobus.  

Eric: Dude, let’s totally make an action movie!

Blake: Dude! How did we NOT think of this before? 

Eric: Dude! Let’s start a movie company called Contour cause I like the contour of my Asian girlfriend’s back!

Blake: And I totally DRIVE a Ford Contour!

Eric: I know! Right? Let me try writing up the plot. *PUFF* *PUFF* *COUGH* Alright. I got it. Here goes: 

Contour’s Eric Jacobus stars as Jack, a down on his luck dude who thinking of ending his own life one night, steps into a mob hit and saves the life of a young woman, Jin (Thi). She turns out to be the mistress of a local Chinese kingpin who is impressed with Jack’s nerve and people killing skills. He offers Jack a position in his ‘family’ sending him to train in the arts of martial, war and murder. Adapting to his new lifestyle with vigour, Jack becomes an elite killing machine but cannot stop his growing feelings for Jin. Soon the two are lovers and torn between his loyalty to his new ‘family’ and that of his woman, Jack sets out on a deadly course of action which will see the city’s gangs turning violently against one another and Jack and Jin fighting for their freedom and lives.

Blake: But Eric, we need like, race wars, violence and nude Chinese bitches, you know what I mean? My frat boys back at BC ain’t gonna watch it if there’s none of that. 

Eric: Ok, how about I add this ish then: 

The film is also violent in nature keeping in with the tone of warring gangsters meaning blood is spilt, there is a fair bit of nudity and you really feel it when characters are killed.

Blake: Dude, this movie sounds dark. I want Steven Seagal in Under Seige 2, NOT Steven Seagal in Under Seige 1! 

Eric: Ooooh! Why didn’t you SAY so. Remember that Chinese dude we used to F with back at our parents’ vacation pad in Scottsdale, Arizona?

Blake: The one that delivered Chinese food on a moped?

Eric: Yea dude, Imma write a character like HIM into the movie:

Mercifully, there is a sense of humour, proceedings never taking themselves too seriously. Most of the comic relief comes from Jack’s trainer, Wei (Brian Lee) who, often drunk, has some great one liners especially when it comes to picking up women.

Blake: So we gotta find a lead character that knows Kar-a-te…

Eric: Yea bro. Let’s go down to the Wushu class downtown.

Blake: But everyone there’s Chinese and Filipino.

Eric: Oh thank God you said that. Cause I was TOTALLY not wanting an Oriental dude as the lead. We wouldn’t make any money outside of San Francisco and, umm, where ever else the F there’s Chinese dudes.

Blake: How we gonna find a white dude that knows karate then?

Eric: Let’s just YouTube “White” and “Karate” and treat those videos as audition videos. Or I can just do it. 

Cody: But the girl’s gonna be Chinese though, right?

Eric: FUCK YEA! Ain’t no one gonna believe a white dude that knows karate would be into a white girl. And I know just the Chinese broad to do it. My girlfriend’s hot younger cousin Huyen Thi.

Blake: I think she’s Vietnamese, not Chinese.

Eric: *PUFF* eh?  Whatever, let me add a bio on Huyen Ti on the website and add this, cause I totally think all Asian girls want white dudes all the time: 

Eric Jacobus’ chemistry with Huyen Thi works well, the two making a believable couple. 

Blake: You keep changing the spelling of Huyen’s last name on the website from Ti to Thi.

Eric: Dude. You are being so critical. I’m spelling it phonetically when I want to, OK?

Blake: And I think we need more Chinese people to make this believable as a Hong Kong action flick type movie.

Eric: But we’re filming this in Winston-Salem and Raleigh! Fine, I’ll add something: mob boss, Chinese waiter, massage parlor madam. I’ll think of something: 

There is also fine support from Rudy Chu as the Chinese mob boss and Brian Lee as Jack’s trainer, who manages to switch from drunken comedy clown to kick ass fighter with ease.

Blake: Great. Let me get my dad’s AmEx Black and we’ll be on our way.

Eric: *Puff*. F that. I just finished the trailer. I made sure I’m F’n the Chinese broad and pulling her hair and stuff all over the trailer in between punching out Asian dudes with mah fists and ish. Yea!

Blake: You’re a sick, sick man. But I likes! Let’s call it Dogs of Chinatown

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90 thoughts on “Blake and Eric Make an Action Flick

  1. hmmmm….dogs of chinatown? slumdog millionaire? poor brown third worlders clawin their way up to entertain white folx? i smell a pattern…ka-ching!

  2. …another hollywood/average cracker fantasy of white guy out-chinking the chinks. and wtf is up with that soundtrack? its like a lame bastardized attempt at boondock saints and romeo + juliet. which was cool in 1994. and ooh! it’s in black & white. deep. stylish. moody. soooo sin city. and this cliche, ripoff artist micah moore fucker needs his nads kicked for every time he shows this asian chick getting her hair pulled. what a racist crap fiesta.

  3. Hahaha!!! Oh, man, that’s great!

    I was mentioning somewhere else…they should rewrite the youtube description:

    DOGS OF CHINATOWN, a martial arts gangster noir written and directed by Some White Guy, produced by Another White Guy, and starring Another White Guy and Some Young Asian Chick.

  4. By the way, was the name “Micah Moore” created to deliberately sound similar to “Michael Moore?” I sure as hell wouldn’t want to “Supersize” this trainwreck of modern Orientalism!

  5. I’ll wait for the sequel… “DOGS OF HICKSVILLE”.

    “A Chinese guy named LOP-CHEUNG stuck in Texas with nothing to live for saves the life of BETSY MAY, the pigtailed mistress of the local mafia. Impressed with , the local mob boss offers him a job. Trained by a bull-riding, lasso-throwing ex-assassin named BUD, LOP-CHEUNG becomes the top cowboy hitman for the mob – until BETSY MAY’s yellow fever causes LOP-CHEUNG’s feelings to be torn between loyalty to his new-found family and love. Soon the rivalry with local Mexican mafia turns deadly, and LOP-CHEUNG and BETSY MAY must fight for their freedom and their lives.”

    Hollywood, pay me now!

  6. Dogs Of Hicksville, sweet. Now I know what to produce next. We were trying to think of a sequel and this sounds awesome. “The Last Samurai” (Chinese version) – good one too.

    CBroobslang – and ooh! it’s in black & white.

    We changed the film to color (too hard to tell the yellow guys from the white guys). See new color trailer:

    CBroobslang – and this cliche, ripoff artist micah moore fucker needs his nads kicked for every time he shows this asian chick getting her hair pulled. what a racist crap fiesta.

    Yeah, we could only get her to do the hair pull thing. We tried to get her to wear a school girl outfit and scream “me love you long time” but she wasn’t having it. Apparently you have to treat Asian girls with a tiny bit of respect. They get all uppity when you put them in a movie.

    Oh and Eric does “out-chink” a lot of Chinese guys and the Chinese girls love him, probably because he pulls their hair and loves them long time.

    Funny Site! Nice coverage of quaff. Rather partial to this video though:

    Blake Faucette (producer of Dogs Of Chinatown aka Another White Guy).

  7. I love the internet, I can actually find this stuff. So as I search the web for keywords like “Eric Jacobus is awesome” hoping to come across someone who’s paid me some much-needed attention, I find this here page, and it’s hilarious. I have a morbid fascination with people who rag on films I’ve worked on, and it’s been a long time since I’ve read anything like this. I appreciate good satire, especially when it’s of me.

    If you guys ever get a chance to see the movie (it’s playing this Friday, April 3rd at the Four Star Theatre in San Francisco at 9pm if you’re interested) you’ll get to see me trying to dance which should give you more than ample ammunition to diss me even further, and I also bone Huyen on a counter as her head goes “thump thump thump” against a nearby cabinet, which is just as funny. And you’ll love the fact that the voice of one of the main Asian actors is dubbed by a very white man.

    If you ever get a chance to buy our films (shameless plug – http://contour.strongvon.com is where to get them), get Contour and Immortal and listen to the commentaries, especially for Immortal. They’re not commentaries, they’re recordings of us sitting around drunk making fun of ourselves. Everyone Is Kung Fu Fighting has a good one too (our film is Teamwork 2). We trash our films before anyone else does.

    Eric Jacobus (the white guy who starred in Dogs)

  8. Oh! ok then. it’s obvious from your clever and perceptive jokes that you guys are TOTALLY down with the Asian peoples. And a little poking fun at yourselves should completely excuse you from making a film that perpetuates the same fucked up stereotypes that have shitted on us and benefitted white dudes like you for centuries. nice try. you can crack as many “inside” comments as you want, but you still can’t polish a turd.

  9. Much respect Eric…much respect! You’re the fucking man! The way you handled this is more than awesome, you’re a role-model for that. My respect for you just increased big time.

  10. Blake,

    Saw that local NC news station coverage, and I see that you produced this garbage on the cheap using local “talent.” Instead of investing in flops like this, why not use the money to go back to school and learn about the culture of the people you’re exploiting? C’mon man, get with the times, the frat boy close-my-eyes-and-just-stick-your-head-in-the-sand Bush Administration is over. Now’s the time for education and regrouping.

    Eric from thestuntEDpeople.com,

    You crack me up!

    You googled yourself, and BcB came up? A site that doesn’t even focus on movies or movie stars, written by people who are too smart to buy your worthless movie tickets? Not People Magazine? Not US Magazine? Not Time Magazine with Richard Corliss, or the NY Times movie review? Why don’t you argue with prominent movie reviewers who have actually wasted their time watching your crap…oh, that’s right, prominent reviewers don’t waste time reviewing your crap! I hate to point this out, but if you’re waiting for your big break, I think you’re barking up the wrong tree (Woof woof…like a dog who thinks he’s from Chinatown). Matt Damon got his break with the high quality Good Will Hunting, not low quality Orientalist nonsense. You might want to follow his lead and step up your game a bit.

    Also, I’ve seen guys brag about their sexual conquests, but you’re the first person I’ve ever seen brag about his onscreen sexual conquests. I guess ya gotta claim whatever it is that ya got. “Dude, man, she was so hot. I banged her…cuz that was how the screenwriter wrote up the storyline!”

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  12. “I made sure I’m F’n the Chinese broad and pulling her hair and stuff all over the trailer in between punching out Asian dudes with mah fists and ish.”

    – Interesting. In the trailer that I watched he was mostly fighting white guys, and getting his ass completely kicked by Ray Carbonel’s character. Oh well.

  13. Eric Jocbus…..
    ..and I also bone Huyen on a counter as her head goes “thump thump thump” against a nearby cabinet…”

    LOL…..L O fucking L…..!

  14. This film is nothing but racist trash ! White dudes beating up on Chinese dudes using Hong Kong wannabe Kung Fu style action. Banging Asian birds, disrespecting our Asian brothers and sisters. They should of just called it ‘No dogs or chinese allowed’. Hell what do I care, I’m a nigga and I don’t like whites or chinks. Infact I’m off to bone me an white bitch and a chink at the same time.

    Word up.

  15. Yo again,

    Yeah it might be pathetic for me to be posting on a blog like this one that (according to one of you) doesn’t have the massive swinging balls of Time or People Magazine, but the honest truth is that I love reading good satire from anyone. I’ve never taken myself too seriously, and when I’m watching Dogs of Chinatown I laugh at all the bad parts just like anyone else, I groan at some of my acting, etc. I would never pretend that my performance was Oscar-worthy unless I was sure to get a lot of chicks out of it.

    The thing that folks don’t understand is that I’m not defensive. I actually need people to kick me in the pants and make fun of me because I get so tired of all the compliments, praise, and flowers I receive on an hourly basis. Getting through Whole Foods is a real pain! But I hope I personally get roasted some day, and that all of you attend. But that’s an aspiration for a good actor, and I’ve still got a lot of work to do to get there. Only when I’m actually talented and semi-famous will people find it worth their while to make fun of me, get mad at my on-screen hijinks, and call me a racist. THAT’LL BE THE DAY.

    Seriously, we’ve gotten some good props from online reviewers, and we’ve been published in two issues of Impact Magazine. Check it out and look at the Contour section too, I’m very proud of this (I even made the website!): http://www.thestuntpeople.com/?page=press.php

    I do get my ass handed to me for most of that final fight with Ray. That’s why I’m paid so well, because I’m good at losing, a professional loser. You can quote me on that.

  16. CBroobslang Says: And a little poking fun at yourselves should completely excuse you from making a film that perpetuates the same fucked up stereotypes that have shitted on us and benefitted white dudes like you for centuries.

    We always poke fun at ourselves. It’s just a movie. Be cool if you’d wait to judge it once you’ve seen it. Too many people rag on films without having seen them.

    In all serious though I don’t get the stereotypes you see. I just see a bunch of my friends in the film having fun making a movie. Some are white guys and some are Chinese. So what if a white guy is having sex with a Chinese girl. I’m sure that never happens in real life. Next thing you know black guys will be having sex with white girls, dogs will have sex with cats then it’s the end of times.

    I do agree though that “this cliche, ripoff artist micah moore fucker needs his nads kicked.”

    jaehwan Says: Instead of investing in flops like this, why not use the money to go back to school and learn about the culture of the people you’re exploiting?

    Well I guess were not a flop since we’ve been selling it worldwide with US distribution in the works. Maybe I will use some of the profit to go back to school and learn about the culture of the people I’m exploiting because there’s no way that Asian people would ever be Triad gangsters or white guys would be in the mafia.

    Good suggestion on that Matt Damon thing though. Okay Eric, next is “Good Dogs Hunting Will Of Chinatown.”

    Lastly, I do joke around a bunch like I have on this site but I seriously don’t get the racism that a couple people here are seeing. Maybe you’re trying to read into something that isn’t there. I personally don’t put up with the shit. I have too may friends that I would hurt if I made a movie something remotely close to what you guys are describing and that’s just not the person I am and I value their friendships way too much to do something like that.

    I’ll be glad to send you a free copy of the movie when they are available so you can judge yourself. I know you see what’s in the trailer and maybe think that’s all there is to this film but I feel our movie has a lot more to offer than that. On the business side of things you have to deliver a trailer that appeals to the masses and that’s why there is a lot of fighting and sex and gunplay but what isn’t in the trailer is the friendship that develops between Jack and Wei despite their different cultural upbringings and how that friendship becomes so strong that they are willing to die for each other. Also, Jack, who has nothing to live for at the beginning of the film, finds something worth dying for to save the woman he loves, Jin. I also feel it does a good job of showing that all people, regardless of race are capable of evil and occasionally good. So you may think it’s still shit but I argue that it’s at least deep shit.

    Also surprised that you guys didn’t pick up on the fact that some North Carolina hicks made a Kung Fu movie.

  17. Haha, people who write these blogs crack me up. Most of the time, they’ve never actually experienced outright racism firsthand but feel the need to defend it for the rest of their “ethnic” peoples. Essentially, it all comes from the same pretentious, Ivory tower attitude that blogs like “Stuff White People Like” poke fun at every day, except instead of “white people” being pretentious, it’s actually the representatives of the respective ethnic culture writing the blog that are being pretentious.

    In this case, you have to wonder if you guys are really “Asian” in the regards to the ethnic culture they try to defend. They probably grew up “white” as hell, in some sheltered, suburban neighborhood in California or somewhere in the East Coast. They’re definitely not the super “fobby” Asian kids I see at wushu competitions or at the corner Boba joint with the spiked up hair, and those sick-ass Puma boots. No, they are probably the type that wear boot cut jeans, blazers, and thick-black framed glasses because in the end, the associate more with Weezer than with Jay Chou, yet, they still HAVE to feel that sense of, “gotta defend my ‘Asian’ roots even if I don’t have them, because no one else among my ‘fobby’ Asian brethren can do so because they don’t know how to write blogs and stuff….” or MAYBE, they just don’t care. They’ve got bigger things to worry about and if they’re quiet, maybe it’s because they’re spending their free time volunteering at Church. Oh, did I bring up another stereotype? Gee, I’m sorry, I was just referencing a very LIKELY possibility based on REAL WORLD experience. Should I not say the vast majority of you eat rice and noodles?

    Granted, you’re probably getting all defensive because of how people VIEW your fellow Asian brethren. Well, I’m sorry, but you just made a big mistake yourself coming up with such a ridiculous conversation as if you knew what Eric, Micah, and Blake were thinking when they made Dogs of Chinatown.

    For reference, Micah LOVES anime; this was his first film and he wanted to combine anime visuals and references with Sin City as well as his other favorite love: martial arts. End of story.

    Blake, I don’t know what Blake was thinking, but he likes to make kick ass action films.

    Eric, also likes to make kick ass action films and has a HUGE fascination with Hong Kong films. He speaks Cantonese and some Mandarin (maybe his skills are better than yours, haha), and bought me a HUGE collection of Shaw Brothers VCDs because we both admired the intricate, insanely-performed chop-socky fight choreography.

    So, if you want to talk about being “educated” about culture, why don’t you take your heads out of your collective ass and look into the culture that created the film, “Dogs of Chinatown” which is a cultural product of young guys who love martial arts action films and study screen fighting choreography.

    Oh and regarding girlfriends, yeah, Eric’s girlfriends have MOSTLY been Asian. How’s that racist? Haha, first off a hot girl is a hot girl, and while you may think that’s just the “white male’s ‘Asian Fever'” kicking in, DO consider that Eric and I live in San Francisco Bay Area and so it’s not EXACTLY the hardest thing to find yourself dating an “Asian” girl whether you intend to or not. Does my having a Korean girlfriend piss you off, too? Haha, probably not, because if you’re Chinese or Japanese, it’s more than likely you don’t care what Koreans do because of your own inter-pan-Asian ethnic culture clashes that have been in play since the dawn of Christ; and even if my having an Asian girlfriend DID piss you off, am I off the hook because I’m a Pacific Islander or am I not included in your pretentious “Asian American” group?

    In the end, Eric, Blake, and Micah are probably already more accomplished than the writers of the blog and most people will agree, that it is ONLY because they’re not “Asian” that you’re ragging on them. Because, if they were all “Asian” filmmakers, you’d be promoting the crap out of the film regardless of its merits or quality followed by a QA interview with the three of them.

  18. Eric Jacobus….

    “I would never pretend that my performance was Oscar-worthy…”

    I don’t know, that “thump thump thump” scene sounded pretty Oscar-worthy to me.

  19. i’ve got to be in the sequel. i am hicksville!!

    i like the movie, but then again… i’m not a pretenious movie snob, that just agrees to go along with the crowd.

    as long as i’m entertained, i’m happy. guns.. check, ass whooping.. check, girls.. check. happy waki

  20. it’s really annoying to read the posts of these armchair asian activists who only ever complain when they see martial arts or white on asian action in movies, then they cry about perpetuating stereotype. there is no march and no demand for any kind of social justice, just a lot of shit talking on message boards. I’d like to see you say it to their faces at the screening. the asian community does deserve to be shat on if all they can do is whine about “the media”, and they can’t even do it as obnoxiously as the republicans.

  21. Chelsea,
    of the
    The Stunt People

    This is great! You guys know Eric had nothing to do with the production of this film. He was hired, he showed up, he did as he was directed to do. Now you guys are bashing him for getting a job. Don’t get me wrong the whole thing is funny as hell. I was busting up the whole time I was reading the thing, but crap with your way of thinking we should just attack actors who play people we don’t like. Hey, lets start with Tom Schilling he plays Hitler in the up and coming Mein Kampf film… He must be evil. I co-founded The Stunt People with Eric and if you understood how immersed in Chinese culture he was in his younger years you would find some of the later comments hilarious. But truthfully me and Eric talk about how much we miss this stuff. People would bash us all the time when we started out, but not so much anymore. It’s to bad it wasn’t one of our films you attacked. We would love it. Oh well, maybe next time.

  22. Blake-

    Your long winded description of how the movie you made could not have all offended us was very heartfelt, especially after you followed it up with the post about the White Male Fantasy of an Asian girl in a schoolgirl outfit and using the “me love you long time” line. We really appreciate it. Maybe this type of behavior is fine in north carolina, where the Asian American population isn’t in double percentage figures like it is in the Bay (where you’re showing the film) and maybe this is acceptable amongst your Asian American friends that you grew up with in Raleigh. But let me tell you, the racist ish you guys are trying to pull on this site just isn’t working. We get it, we’ve written about it before with Tropic Thunder and Robert Downey Jr’s Black Face: http://bicoastalbitchin.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/modern-day-black-face/

    The fact that you UNDERSTAND you’re being funny about your racism (throwing the term Yellow around) and sexism (Thi in a school girl uniform) doesn’t make it any better. You can’t appropriate the terms used to be derogatory against Asians and use it in your own language and think its ok because you have Asian friends and you understand its ironic that a white guy is using it. In no setting should you be using the term “me love you long time” even as a joke, esp if its not funny and esp on a site dedicated to calling out racism against Asian. Subtle and sometimes not so subtle.

    I’m dying to go to your screening if Huyen Thi is going to be there. I would be VERY VERY curious to know her background and if she’s actually ok with her movie’s producer and lead actor going on Asian American blogs throwing the term Yellow and Me Love You Long Time like we’re at a Klan rally in the South.

    And we get it, its just a kung fu film. We’re used to it, seriously. It happened when dopff lundgren fucked tia carrere while brandon lee jerked off in the other room in Showdown in Little Tokyo and it happened in Karate Kid II when Ralph Macchio won the girl from the evil Yuji Okumoto while Pat Morita spouted out random grammatically incorrect pieces of advice. We get it. We’ve been dealing with the white male lead winning the asian girl, the comic relief of the asian sensei, and the evil asian bad guy losing out for decades. Which is probably why we watch Stephen Chow and Tony Jaa films nowadays. Cause the Asian characters in real kung fu films have three dimensional Asian actors and they actually get the girl (unlike bastardized Hollywood versions where Jackie Chan doesn’t get Claire Forlani in The Medallion or Jet Li doesn’t get Aliyah in Romeo Must Die). And of course, there’s the action, which has always been better in the original Asian movies you guys are trying to rip off.

    And seriously, you and your boys keep talking about this guy Ray Carbonel kicking the lead character’s ass? Does the bad guy really actually win in the end? Or does the movie end the way all these movies end? The White male lead character kills the evil Asian bad guy, wins the heart of the Asian girl and gets a pat on the back from the Asian sensei? Did I just blow your ending?

  23. It’s interesting to hear everyone’s point of view here.

    No-one seems to complain about the potrayal of white guys in films like Rumble in the Bronx though…Why isn’t anyone bashing asian cinema for potraying white guys like crazy idiots with terrible acting chops.

    No, instead we get a bunch of people complaining that the guy in the movie is white, and there’s an asian girl in it, and some other completely invalid points.

    Wayyyy too many armchair warriors on the internet.

    Who said that Asian people don’t have a sense of humour? If you are comfortable with your own race then you don’t get offended by jokes…because just as easily, we could make some typical american or white guy stab as a joke, and people would find it funny.

    What’s the deal here?

    Robert Rodriguez made El mariachi in the 90’s which had steriotypical spanish dudes running around with guns…a typical american white guy…no complaints there…it launched Rodriguez right into Hollywood.

    This is a movie, not a documentary. aznheartthrob, If you’re dying to find out what Huyen thinks, just look her up…Google is your friend.

    And no you did not blow the ending. I saw this film months ago and enjoyed it a lot. Unlike you, I actually watch the films I talk about…

  24. What’s priceless is the fact that there is yet another movie based on stereotypes of Asian people. Karate, Chinatown, hot Asian girl, comic relief from the Asian man.

    Yawn.

    I would go to the screening to say that to you in person but you’re not worth my $8. Sitting in a theater, suffering thru this film, waiting to give you a piece of my mind… THAT, my friend, is armchair activism.

  25. Hey aznheartthrob,
    I told Huyen to check out the site. She’s a friend and she’s knows when someone’s joking. Asian girl in a school girl outfit is just a white male fantasy? Wow, didn’t know that. Anyways, if you want to take the film that seriously then that’s cool. Doesn’t sound like I could convince you that we really aren’t racist hicks from NC anyway. Isn’t judging someone before you know them a little bit of what you are talking about? Maybe the next film I produce will star a Chinese guy and he’ll have a white girlfriend.
    Take care.

  26. haha I love how all these people immediately say Karate.
    Oh crap! I’m african american and I did a fight scene where I fight an asian kid as a gangster, I should be offended!!

    Seriously, these armchair activists are stupid. Hey Eric got the job and he’s white. Big deal.

    If your so pissed over it, go make your own film, learn the ins and outs of screen fighting, put your body on the line but hey. At the end of the day, your film will still be based off of racism and theirs wont. They made the film for fun, you guys just look at it as a racial outlet. Get a life suburban nutboys

  27. Oh wow, the Stunt People show up in force! Woo hoo. I think it says something when the only people who defend it are the people who helped create it or friends of people who helped create it.

    Debbie,

    I loved your quote: “Sitting in a theater, suffering thru this film, waiting to give you a piece of my mind… THAT, my friend, is armchair activism.”

    I will be voting with my armchair by sitting in it instead of going to see this movie!

    Y’know, that’s kind of got a Taoist Wu-Wei feel to it…

    Ed Kahana,

    Quit being Blake and Eric’s little minority lapdog. There’s already a racial hierarchy to protect their interests; we don’t need colored faces in subservient places to continue reinforcing their privilege. Okay? From one minority to another, I KNOW you see the racial typecasting that aznheartthrob describes. It’s the reason that leading roles go to people who look like David Carradine instead of people who look like you. So stop. Please? Thank you.

    Blake,

    Google “racial stereotyping” and read some of commentary on the racism people here are describing. If you have time, check out Heart of Whiteness by Robert Jensen (white guy) or any book by Tim Wise (another white guy). People don’t think you’re a violent, hating racist; people just see that you have subconscious racial prejudices, which is evident from the fact that you aren’t seeing the racism in racial caricatures. It’s also evident from the language you use when “joking” about your “friend” Huyen.

    Good luck.

  28. Hey Debbie. That is such a cop-out. You don’t have to buy a ticket and go in the movie. Eric is out side before a screening most of the time anyway. You can bitch at him about the movie he didn’t make all you want. I’m sure he won’t mind. Hell he will more than likely let you come in and watch it just for making him laugh.

  29. Well, I’m not asian, so while I see and can identify with the racial feedback, it doesn’t ring for me the way previous posters have discussed.

    But it doesn’t really need to.

    Dispensing with the racial themes entirely, this film seems to be yet another rehash of the same old, spent story. I can tell in a 2 minute trailer that I won’t see a single inventive thing in the entire flick, and you better be able to invent something stellar to make this tired shit interesting. The trailer is supposed to draw you in. The composition is boring; I can tell the actors are awful without even hearing their lines… And while the choreography seems like it might be mildly well thought-out, I’m liable to vomit if I see another mediocre movie packed with mediocre fight scenes and tits in substitution for story. You’re supposed to be highlighting the film in an appealing way. The trailer did exactly the opposite.

    This film is screaming amateur like a little league right fielder.

  30. Hey jaehwan and aznheartthrob
    You are way too serious for me. Like I said, the movie is supposed to be entertaining. If you want to read something into it that’s cool but I find it very hard to believe that you can form an opinion of our film without having seen it. Maybe you’d still feel the same after seeing it, who knows? You’re definitely entitled to your opinion. I know what we were attempting to do when we made it so I feel it’s a little unfair to judge someone without really knowing them or their motivation for doing something. I do appreciate the interesting conversation we are having here though. Hey, maybe one day I can buy you a beer and continue the conversation.

  31. am i the only person who sees the irony about a person with the handle aznheartthrob making a post complaining about asian stereotyping?

    did he/she mean to do that?

  32. I may be beating a dead horse but I have to say:

    Blake/Eric – maybe you should have thought about how your first comments would be perceived before you try to defend your movie with subsequent comments. AZN saw a trailer to your movie that looked like the stereotypical “asian-girl-saved-by-the-white-man” movie and criticized it on his blog, which he had every right to do. And you had every right to defend your movie or call AZN out on the fact that he blogged about it before seeing it. But instead of doing so, you made racially offensive comments using “yellow people” and “me love you long time”.

    Let me educate you – The term “yellow peril” was used to describe America’s fear of Asian immigration to the west. This in turn caused the US to pass the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 and Immigration Act of 1924 to restrict Asian immigration into the US. This perpetrated fear and hatred towards Asian immigrants, or “yellow people”, which was reinforced during World War II and continues until today. So I ask that you think twice before you joke around using language such as “yellow people” while you screen your film that features aspects of the Asian culture, with Asian people, at a theatre that focuses on Asian films, in a city with a large Asian population, the population which those Acts sought to restrict.

    And for everyone else that are saying “it’s just a joke”, “this movie is not about racism”, blah blah blah, I’m beyond that. Their comments were offensive, tongue-in-cheek or not. And yes, I have a right to comment about it and be serious about it because racism and racial slurs are serious subjects. Just because you have Asian friends, can do karate/kungfu/jujitsu, and speak an Asian language, the fact of the matter is: you’re white. You’re the majority. You will never understand how it feels like to be judged based on the color of your skin, the pronunciation of your name, and the slant of your eyes. And I’m not talking about “criticizing my movie before seeing it” – judged, I’m talking about the Cooper Act – judged, Executive Order 9066 – judged, racial profiling – judged, or AirTran Airways – judged.

    And for all you Asians out there who are condoning this type of behavior, shame on you. Yeah, I said it. I’m not patting my white friends on the back saying “hahaha you sure got those ethnocentric Asian bloggers with your racially offensive jokes! Thank goodness we’re friends, huh? Now do you wanna take some pictures with you doing slanty eyes and me doing big eyes to show everyone how cool and accepting we are?” Perhaps you should school yourself on the history of your culture and the plight of your people living in America – from the 63 years it took for Filipino Americans to receive their WWII pensions, to the 143 years it took since the first Civil Rights Act for an African American man to become president.

    And Mr. Kahana ~ I’ve lived in Hawaii, California, Illinois, Indiana, AND Oregon so I know the difference between acceptance, ignorance, and flat out racism. So maybe if you knew the struggle, you would understand why I find these comments offensive and why I don’t care what Blake and Eric does for a living, who they’re dating, or what their hobbies are. The fact of the matter is they made those comments without even a second thought as to how it would be perceived, joke or not. It’s actions like that, especially by people who are “culturally aware”, that sets back the progress of cultural acceptance and elimination of racism in America; because if we can’t end racism and racially offensive comments with people who are exposed to the culture, how do we stop it in the rural areas of Indiana? And you may think that blogging about these issues are useless but I disagree. Ignoring these racial slurs are useless, turning a blind eye to racism is useless, and staying silent about offensive speech is useless.

    So if you want to step into the culture, the least you could to is respect the history and struggle Asian Americans, especially immigrants, face every day. Because the history and present-day effects of “yellow skin” and “me love you long time” is no laughing matter.

  33. chEEzu panda
    Fair enough. I saw what I thought were some ridiculous comments and responded in kind (definitely not serious responses). I just assumed some of these comments had to be a joke because we in no way intended our film to represent any person in a bad light other than there are criminal elements amongst Asian and white people, I think you would agree. We were just judged to be these racist hate mongers before anyone saw the film or anyone had even met us. Cultural differences don’t mean anything to me. It’s obvious that you and others here are very proud of your culture as you should be. When I meet someone, I don’t see any of that. People are just people to me, not black, white, yellow, purple, etc. I get to know a person and form an opinion of them based on that and their actions. I do appreciate the intelligent response though and I see what you are saying. If we happen to meet and you get to know us then hopefully you’ll have a better opinion of us.
    Take care

  34. uggh… whine, whine, whine… it’s a freaking movie! not scripture, or congressional bills voted in.

    i rooted, i laughed, i grimiced in what i hoped wasn’t painful shots, i was entertained. win win for waki

    way to much pc in our lives as it is! i want to know what someone thinks about me, not hide behind nicities.

  35. At this point, we’re beyond the film. But I saw it anyway. Cause I wanted to have an open mind, and Blake has honestly been really nice to me offline. It was pretty clear while watching the film that Eric and the other actors in it wanted to make a fight movie, bottom line. The storyline etc is clearly not the reason why you go see an action movie like this. This is going to be a BIG SPOILER ALERT:

    Blake, honestly, watching the movie doesn’t change all my previous comments, the big plot twist actually made it worse than I originally thought it would be. You and Micah basically made every Asian person in the movie evil. They are either buying sex slaves, drunks starting off gang wars, killing without remorse, or hookers. Did you notice that every Asian female was a concubine of the mob boss? Every Asian female actress in the movie was basically a sex slave. Including the lead Asian actress. I’ve seen this before, on Broadway, it was called Miss Saigon (white guy saves Asian girl from life of prostitution, except Jin didn’t shoot herself in the face afterwards).

    Its pretty clear that the filmmakers are writing about a topic they know little about, since there’s no Chinatown in the area they’re filming. And most of the Asian leads are Vietnamese from NC or shipped over from the Bay (like Ray).

    I hear all the talk from the posters that are clearly coming in here from the film’s website, and its great that we’re getting new voices. I hope you read the rest of this blog and see what we’re all about. Although you may call us armchair activists, you should consider checking out the fundraisers we’ve done, and talk to us offline about participating in other events.

    And yes, the handle aZnHeartThrob is meant to be a joke. My blog that its based on, aZnHeartThrob’s Love Conquests has zero postings on it. We are here to provide a level of humor to the topics we are writing about. Although these comments have gone wayyyyyy deep into commentaries we went through in ethnic studies classes from long ago, we try to keep things lighthearted in here.

    Our posts about John Cho action figures and fucking fresh pineapples aren’t meant to change the world. But our posts are meant to call out blatant to subtle forms of racism. Whether its a KKK clansmen visiting my mom’s refugee camp in Arkansas to see what an Asian person looks like in person to the fact that a white colleague of mine in the same job position made twice as much money as me doing half as much work, these problems exist and if talking about it, going to rallies, campaigning door to door for candidates we like and fundraising to fight against it isn’t enough, I dare you to find out more we can do to stop it. Thanks for reading this far.

  36. The good man who wrote this article came to the screening and bought a ticket, shook my hand, told me the action was awesome, and we had a few nice words. Thanks so much for coming.

    After the show I was also approached by a Russian guy who was deeply offended by Micah’s narrow-minded portrayal of the three Russians in the film, who are all either fat drunks, bartenders, or depressed snipers, and told me his comrads would be writing a letter of complaint to the Better Groupthink Bureau. There were also a few Italians who flung spaghetti at the screen after seeing all the ridiculous Mafia stereotypes that bear no resemblance to their buddies in Sicily. One did trade me a few boxes of cigarettes for a ticket, though. So if you see some incoming links from various Socialist and Bargain DVD websites then that’s probably them, and you’ll know then that you’re not alone in the world of Dogs of Chinatown’s wretched stereotypes.

    Aside from the protests, the screening also had 6,059 screaming teenage girls and I received so much praise for my action-hero stardom that I had to come back here to settle down and be reminded that all my comments so far have been racist and insensitive.

    In all seriousness, I don’t like seeing feathers ruffled like this, but I’m not supposed to understand what it’s like to be a minority. I could go off about the racism I experience here as one of the few white non-Democrats in the predominantly-black community where I live, but that won’t matter. My skin, sex, and orientation dictate that I’m not allowed to complain, even though the white people here don’t like me either since I don’t vote like them and I don’t wipe my ass with eco-friendly cardboard. Nor do I want to complain because it makes me a maddy saddy pants. So I just make fun of everyone, including me, and even people who think like me, all seven of them.

    Again, I thank the author for meeting me and making kind words. And all the rest of you, I wish I could’ve met you to say something. But instead, Blake and I will forever be racists in your heads because you have no interest in our side of this story simply BECAUSE of our skin color. Nobody is allowed to care how that makes us feel, and we’re not supposed to be upset over it. Everything we say is to defend our ignorance of Asian culture. So we’re reduced to joking, and in North Carolina, that means reminding me and Ray that being from San Francisco meant we were flaming homosexuals. We were the butt of every drunk gay joke for three weeks.

    Hey cheezu panda, try to find one instance where I used the word “yellow” or mocked someone’s accent in this discussion, or said anything racial for that matter. Don’t group me in your racist bin just because I’m white and associated with Blake. I haven’t done anything execpt make fun of myself. Racism on your part?! For shame!

    One more thing, then I need to go poop:

    Chelsea said: Eric you groan at “SOME” of your acting? Really? Only “SOME”, are you sure it’s not “MOST” or “ALL”?

    I fast forward through the rest of it. It’s a great 15 minute experience involving hot sex, some insane dancing, and seeing my ass handed to me by the 2 Asian guys who are so much more badass than me it makes my butthole pucker up and fart a little. Everyone cheers at their parts… but at least I get the sex!

  37. Everyone is evil, stereotyped, and caricatured in this movie, not just the Asian people. If they’re not mafiosos, strippers, assassins, or whores, they’re bartenders, human traffickers, or idiots. The only people who aren’t stereotyped are the black people. Here’s the full cast list, racially segregated and organized by type of character, from Dogs. I’ve added some comments in parentheses for clarification.

    White assholes
    Eric Jacobus … Jack
    Eddie Vivas … Club Bartender (druggie)

    Italian mafia
    Bill Oberst Jr. … Vitario
    Matthew Sumner … Castalucchi’s Bodyguard
    Patrick G. Keenan … Lord Massimo
    Ray Wood … Castalucchi
    Paul Drechsler-Martell … Bodyguard
    Tom Spano … Johnny (mafia)
    Mike Beane … Don Pietro
    Greg Frucci … Italian Mobster
    Jesse Knight … Other Bodyguard
    Eric Lanier … Pietro’s Bodyguard
    J. Lublinkhof … Benneli
    Robert Rainbolt … Little Massi
    Angelo Reyes … Scarpone

    Chinese mafia
    Huyen Thi … Jin
    Ray Carbonel … The General
    Brian Lee … Wei (half-Asian)
    Kathryn Kim … The Translator
    Minh Vu (Lee – murderer, buys whores)
    Randall I. Kim … Lao (not a half-bad guy actually)
    Josh Costell … Thug (half-Asian)
    Rudy Chu … Boss Wu
    Liming Wang … Wu’s Mistress
    Annie Tee (Asian girl they try to buy)

    White idiots or criminals
    William Randall Kennedy III … Human Trafficker
    Lyndsey Bass … Jock’s Girlfriend (airhead chick)
    Jaysen P. Buterin … Italian Kidnapper #2
    Andrew Comstock … Pawn Shop Owner (murderer, liar)
    Michael Massey … Restaurant Manager (idiot, coward in film)
    Gerald O’Docharty … Sal ‘the bartender’ (tries to kill Jack)
    Keith Robinson … Russian Bartender (hilarious fake Russian accent)

    White strippers
    Jane Doe … Dancer #3
    Christy Johnson … Massimo’s Mistress
    Kimberly Goss
    Samantha Hoit … Jack’s Girl
    Kimberly Maldonado … Dancer #1
    Heather Meek
    Solyria … Dancer #2

    White Nobodies
    Trey Moore … Sylvester
    Joshua Pape
    Gene Parker
    Christian Reynolds … Restaurant Chef
    Billy Roberts

    Black people
    Anthony Robinson (has a fight with The General)

    Honestly, that’s the entire list of people in the film, aside from some extras at the club and the posh restaurant.

  38. I’m just catching up with this nonsense –

    asianhearthrob said :
    “Which is probably why we watch Stephen Chow and Tony Jaa films nowadays. Cause the Asian characters in real kung fu films have three dimensional Asian actors and they actually get the girl (unlike bastardized Hollywood versions where Jackie Chan doesn’t get Claire Forlani in The Medallion or Jet Li doesn’t get Aliyah in Romeo Must Die). And of course, there’s the action, which has always been better in the original Asian movies you guys are trying to rip off.”

    Since when did Tony Jaa’s character have three dimensions or “get the girl?” Actually, come to think of it, people in kungfu movies almost never get the girls. PLUS they’re always filled with oversimplified impressions of different ethnicities. China just went crazy over a movie in which the honorable guy from Hong Kong beat the shit out of the Japanese and their sympathizers.

    not that I’m defending blake here – his ironic retort is dated and weak. Eric’s frustration with his white identity in an increasingly diverse Bay Area (I think we can all assume it’s the East Bay, since there ain’t too many predominantly black neighborhoods in San Fran) is understandable, but still he needs to see that the suspicions amongst the peoples go deeper than “you look different” and it’s as complex and hard to dismiss as all the different experiences from all the different peoples.

    however, for writers supposedly documenting racism and hopefully having a dialogue, this blog is doing a pretty sorry job. it doesn’t understand racism from ignorance, bad films from propaganda, blogging from activism, and worst of all, self-segregation from empowerment. all the sarcasm and perception can’t shield you from your bubble. most of the Asian people I know who are struggling against racism work side by side with other ethnic minorities that they either befriend or antagonize. and their children, whom I work closely with, are brought up with confusion and appreciation for all the vastly different experiences in this tiny corner of America. it is hard work and while it is personal, one comes to grip with the larger system at work that leaves everybody where he or she is. and when you can see or touch the actual monster called systematic racism – what you catch on youtube ceases to inspire anything from a shrug.
    and the last thing you and they care about is who looks like what in movies.

  39. Much respect to aznheartthrob for coming out to the screening of Dogs Of Chinatown to check it out. I think you’ll agree that it’s not just the Asian people in the film being picked on. Really there are no good people in the film. Even our “hero” is a cold blooded killer. Does the fact that some of the Asian characters in the film are Triads mean that all Asian are criminals? Of course not. And of course all white people are not in the mafia. If we made a film about a Chinese doctor and a white dentist then no one would go see the film. So I’m done defending the film. I just want to take this opportunity to thank aznheartthrob for taking the time to find out a little more about the film and us as well. I heard about the kind words you had with Eric about the action in the film. Much appreciated. We certainly don’t expect everyone to like the film. I really appreciate criticism when someone has invested the time to watch our film and wants to tell us why they didn’t like it, especially when it’s intelligent criticism. Hopefully it will make us better filmmakers. aznheartthrob if you ever make it to NC then hit me up, I’d love to buy you a beer and shoot the shit.
    Take care.

    Oh and to asian guy not in solidarity who said “not that I’m defending blake here – his ironic retort is dated and weak.”

    It’s not just the retort. The rest of me is dated and weak as well, haha!

  40. I know, we can have a sequel based on Lao’s twin brother Lou, who both have a southern accent. Grew up in the back hills of (outside of Chinatown), who likes white women, already has a hick accent, likes big guns, who like to love white chicks long time and pull their hair.

    Story goes, Lou,coming through town from his brothers funeral(I know, another asian walking thorugh another white town ….ALONE) and meets this hot, up and coming country singer being used and abused by her sterotypical, fat, red neck, fried chicken eatin (thinking similar to Boss Hog) record company owner promising a recording deal to this white chick so he can pull her hair, a lot. Maybe a little head knocking on a few kitchen cabinets and got to have a lot of daisy dukes. A hick/kung fu movie isn’t hickish enough without short shorts and high heel shoes.

    It will involve a lot of banjos, big guns, daisy dukes, hair pulling, mud wrestling and Kung Fu. (Not in that order.)

    We just need to find a directory and name him G.W. Barsh, closly resembling GW Bush since it is the only name more hated than Michael Moore. Heaven forbid, that a name is just a name.

    I can see it now.
    Ya’ll have a good day now, U hear?

    Randall

  41. Like all things bloggish (New word for today boys and girls)

    Okay, I guess its kinda turning into an east coast west coast thing. Us asians on the east coast, DO NOT take racism likely. North Carolina make not have the double digit asian orient numbers, but we do have a large number of other Asians, Europeans, Central Americans and even a growing number of Austrilians.

    We have a nice melting pot of different ethnic groups. We do not hide behind the LARGE Asian cummunities types, where there is nothing but asians as far as the eyes can see. It was cool visiting the Berkley campus and seeing the large asian population. It was very nice NOT being a minority for a change however west coast bay area type big city asians just doesn’t understand growing up in a frontier type community where you are usually the ONLY asian or a handfull of asians. Everytime the word yellow or chink is uttered, a war starts. Colorful words fly first, sometimes fist fly, sticks crack and even some cases… guns fire. It has come to a point where we are so busy only being with our kind that we automatically think everybody else is beneath us.

    Lets talk about facts. White people found the United States. Mainly from a small island called England, and some other areas not of the UK like Spain, Portugal, Germany and other countries I don’t remember from the US Citizen booklet.

    Lets talk some for facts. A movie just does not do well uless there is a white guy or girl as lead. Look at all the movies, thay are all white. Matt Daemeon is white so he can make mostly white cast movie and it sold. Why not a kung fu movie? If that is your passion, like it is for Brian and Micah, why can’t you make a movie about it.
    AND guess what…THEY ARE WHITE. I thought it was fun and I thank them for the experience in acting. Not my thing. I will stick with my stereotypical Korean convenient store and my guns.

    Sure Jackie Chan and Jet Li sold a lot of movies and also A LOT if not MOST of his movies, is he not the producer and director. If Jackies character didn’t get the girl, its because Jackie Chan did not want him to get the girl.

    Our Asian culture just doesn’t tolerate kissing and sex on screen. I guess Jackie is old fashion. I watch Korean dramas now and it rarely has kissing in it. The movies, on the other hand, are shockingly violent and I still see your comical asians in it too. I guess we Koreans are finally letting our inner demons out. Better in films than on college campuses.

    Now, Blake is a good friend from High School in a time where I did not back down from racists. We got along just fine and we recently got together on this film project.

    To fix this racist problem, first, we asians needs to stop calling each other racist names. I hear more Chinese Jokes, Japanese Jokes, Korean Jokes from other asians. I hear more words like yellow and chink coming out of asians than white or black people.

    So lets just take the movie for what it is. If you like it fine, if you don’t like it fine. I would not have takened part in a project like this if it put down the asian people.

    I have met Huyen and she is a funny and great person and whom I would like to call friend. I think Huyen in a Chatholic school girl outfit is a fantasy for ANY Heterosexual male…PERIOD!! Then again, I think black leather and two guns (AKA Underworld) would be more of my fantasy but school girl works for me.

    The purpose of my comment was to defend my friends Honors not write a book. If i ever thought Blake was on a racist plot to put down the Asian Community here in NC, I would have been the first to protest.

    I feel that the problem lies elsewhere and not in a movie made by a couple of whites guys, starring a white guy, with an asian girl with a lot of asians and white AND BLACK extras… making their DREAM into reality.

    -Randall
    (Please excuse typos, misspellings, and ramblings of an old asian.)

  42. All this shit makes me sick. Cannot tell you how many times, me and other asian females have been targets of “accidental feel-ups,” lewd sexual comments that include some kind of “love you long time,” ” ching chong ching” talk. Or being targeted by 3 white guys in an all black neighborhood with plenty of beautiful black women around only to be harassed for blocks as they explain to me how much they appreciate chinese culture as they studied abroad there for a semester. Fucker, I’m Vietnamese. It might help you go to sleep at night to think that the people who are on these blogs have never experienced racism, bitch please. It’s a daily fucking battle and your movies don’t help to end it.

    I am glad you all had fun making your movie, and I am glad that all those minorities got a chance to make their dreams come true. I just hope that one day I can walk down the damn street without a single incident where my orientalness isn’t at issue.

    But enough ranting, social justice work isn’t getting done on its own.

  43. Thanks Lili. Your comment reminded me that although Randall’s comments elude to the fact that we are apparently sheltered behind a large number of Asian Americans because half of us went to Cal, collectively, all the bloggers and commenter friends of BcB currently live in New York City, San Jose, Portland, LA, SF, and London. So I would say those perspectives are a littler more broad than, say, being born in Charlotte, North Carolina, living in Charlotte, North Carolina and getting a BS from UNC Charlotte.

  44. first off, for those who call the writers of this blog armchair activist, kiss my motherfucking community organizing ASS. while you had your thumbs up your asses, i worked for years organizing in some of the MOST distressed communities in the bay area, where WHITE POWER/PRIVILEGE AND INSTITUTIONAL WHITE RACISM has fucked up our communities and continue to fuck up our communities. i’ve fought against Eurocentric curriculums in urban public schools that highlight the value of being of European descent, while students of color have one collective month to be proud of who they are. i’ve organized events to call attention to how the lack of resources in our communities continue to perpetuate the cycles of violence that pave the way for our youth to end up incarcerated or dead, while rich people piss on our problems. so before you call me an armchair activist, know who you’re talking to. i’m from oakland, bitch.

    i’m not going to continue this dialogue with folks who
    a. have never opened up an ethnic studies book
    b. continue to think that white people discovered this country
    c. thinks that dehumanizing asian women and uplifting white boys’ egos at the expense of commodifying asian culture is ok
    d. are all basically homies of blake and eric and will never be open minded enough to hear criticism behind why perpetuating certain stereotypes are detrimental to the advancement of folks of color.

    To make it clear, no we are not hoarding our culture and saying NO WHITEYS and crackers allowed. What we are saying is that be conscious and aware of what messages you put out in your films. Be aware of the fact that perhaps, to quote your homey “a hot girl is a hot girl” is not always the case and that the possibility of some idiot who sees the way you sexualize certain women in the films, will live out that same fantasy and sexualize them in reality in a way that causes them harm. Additionally, to white folks who are fluent in asian languages and have asian partners, hey good for you. Just acknowledge who you are and know that there is a difference between understanding someone else’s culture and actually being of that ethnic descent. The worse people are the ones who are in denial of their cultural roots, and that goes for everyone, not just white boys with fetishes for asian cultures. Being able to be proud of who you are and where you come from shapes how you can move forward in life, isn’t that how white people are able to continue to advance in this society? I mean shit, they got films and history books promoting them as heroes all the time…. I’m just sayin.

  45. Whattup yall.
    Thanks for hyping up the flick. As they say, all publicity is good publicity, especially when it comes to indie cult stuff.

    As Blake and I’s first film it definitely has a number a flaws to criticize, but also some strong points like great fight scenes from The Stunt People and some unique style. I always appreciate blunt criticism but I sort of feel sad for some of you guys – every time you see a tv show with a woman cooking, or watch sports and see a black guy playing basketball, or a little person playing Santa’s helper in a movie, you must lose your ish over the travesty of stereotypes. If you applied the same filter to the majority of movies you might be greatly upset.
    Still, I’m happy we gave members of this board a cool opportunity to express to the world how culturally sensitive and worldly they are. Kudos to all of you for being defenders of the PC world. It seems my multicultural friends and I gave up on that a long time ago. Instead we just do what we do, no longer bound by heritage or gender. Products of globalization I guess. It is hard for us to be offended by stereotypes; we see them as ridiculous relics of the past. Sure, some people do buy them, and I think some people always will – that’s probably why we gave up being world-saving superheroes. That’s partly why we made a movie about a bunch of pricks that buy into stereotypical behaviour, for themselves and for their enemies. Many of the characters fail because they don’t break free from what society expects them to be. Not to say that all tradition is bad, but it is often a way to keep people in power or keep other people out of power (be it women or cultural identities).

    Anyway, there are some great points here about American cinema culture and what sells. Hollywood would make Matt Damon play Martin Luther King Jr if they could get away with it. In “Dogs” the character Jack is right between a Mafia and a Triad. He is used by Boss Wu to kill the Italian gangsters because his looks will not draw suspicion in their neighborhoods and places of business. So it’s a little less ridiculous than Last Samurai where a civil war hero sails to Japan and becomes a samurai. Though not to discount your viewpoints on this subject entirely – our main goal was to cast my fav available screenfighter/choreographer in the role, who happens to be white. Because, at the end of the day this is a kung fu flick and a noir. So the fighting’s important, and all the characters are douchebags. That’s how noirs are. All individuals and all cultures generally have a decent side and a douchebag side. We made a dark noir so we focused on the douchebag side of everything. This film could never play in mainland due to censorship, and I think that’s a douchebag side right there – well not due to our film not playing, lol, but more meritable films.

    As far the hair pulling, I don’t know what to tell you guys. If you don’t know about hair pulling, it would kinda be like Galileo trying to explain Copernicanism to the Catholic Church. Uh here it goes. A lot of women (not all, but a LOT) like their hair pulled in the throws of passion. A lot of women like to switch it up, sometimes dominating, sometimes dominated, and sometimes gentle and even. I can say it’s definitely both Asian and Caucasian and dark-skinned women (again, not all but many). This was something I was educated on by women, not the other way around. Hell, now that I have longer hair the ladies pull it.
    So when hair is pulled in the movie it does reflect passion and one lover momentarily giving themselves up to their lover. Uh it’s not really a hidden plot for manifest destiny and cultural domination. If that’s the first thought that goes through your head — well, to each their own, I suppose.

    (GENERAL PATTON makes a sidenote: Hmm, a land war in Asia is a terrible idea, maybe we can subjugate all of China with hair-pulling.)

    Personally I think love is bigger than cultural divides. F*ck the Montagues, f*ck the Capulets, that kind of thing. Some people don’t. Some people are bound by religion or cultural tradition. That’s fine. But I’m going to continue to do Romeo-and-Juliet type stories because that’s my message. In “Dog’s” the two lovers break free from all the stereotypical noise that the other characters define themselves by. Romeo and Juliet escape it.

    Anyway, I do respect a lot of this conversation, and I do think parts of it are important. As far as debate goes, if you want to be more effective in influencing the mass audience, you have to be selective with what you take offense at. If it’s everything, people might think you’re hypersensitive and dismiss your concerns. Also, seeing the film in it’s entirety and in context would lend a little more ethos to your arguments.

    1 correction. We’re GEEKS ignorantly making a movie involving Italian and Chinese organized crime bosses. Not FRATBOYS. We hit the Asian stereotypes pretty good, so now I’m helping with the cracker stereotypes. It’s GEEKS that are into Shakespeare and cultural pluralism, not the fratboys.

  46. Also, Aznheartthrb, I do appreciate you checking out the film. You sound (err, read) like a thoughtful person. You make an observation that all the Asian people are dirty and vile in the film, but don’t you have to say the same for all the white and black characters as well? Even the antihero is a remorseless killer and there’s a fairly obvious moral that violence is cyclical and no one ends up well because of it. If you didn’t observe that ALL the characters in the movie regardless of race are weak douchebags, I do have to point out you may be watching through filtered lenses. That isn’t to say there aren’t some white and black extras that aren’t neutral, as that’s the extra talent available in NC.

    As far as the lady who said movie’s like these inspire violence and harrasment against women – I do think those are very serious topics. I wish you would see the film before making such harsh accusations, but perhaps your mind is already made up? The film’s major moral is that violence is cyclical and dooms all caught in the stupidity of it. It also rips off Romeo and Juliet and Hamlet. The characters are all sexist and racist, but they are also all obvious douchebags – see? \
    I do believe violence and general douchebaggery has been around long before movies, video games, or books ever existed. Weak minds will do crappy things – it doesn’t matter if Call of Duty exists or not. The best thing you can do is to avoid being around douchbags of any skin tone. If a neighborhood has a lot of douchbags in it, you gotta navigate it with principles of self-defense in mind – preparation, avoidance, timing, etc. I used to live in a neighborhood that had several murders each month and know what it’s like not to be able to afford anything else. But I also know douchebags are douchebags, regardless of available media, and you just gotta try to avoid them.

  47. I do have to ask one serious question though just to help my understanding. This is genuine.

    It seems like a lot of guys message here is “I’m more “Asian” than you other “Asians” and your viewpoints should be dismissed. One person went as far as calling Ed a little “Asian lapdog”.

    Man, what is up with that? Like, explain why this is that we have “Asian” people calling out other “Asian” people for not being “Asian enough” because they have a different perspective.

    Like the only “White poeple” that claim to be “Whiter than” other “White people” are nazis and klansmen. Is it like that? Or something different?

    I’d assume that Asian folks are all individuals with unique minds and POV’s but some of the comments on here sound like “If you don’t agree with us, you’re not Asian enough, or a sellout.” As if Asian folks should all adhere to one way of thinking…like a stereotype or something. Hmm.

  48. “As if Asian folks should all adhere to one way of thinking…like a stereotype or something. Hmm.”

    As if Asians in cinema are forced to adhere to one way of acting….like a stereotype or something. Hmm.
    That “hmm” right there is for your smart ass douchey way of trying to sound high and mighty with with your comments.

    It’s not even so much that you went along and made a film fitting stereotype after stereotype, you had to get the most incapable lead actor for the part. Did he suck your vanilla tootsie roll dick for this part? Even if he wrote this godawful shit-tastic story, did ANYONE fucking say anything to this eric faggot about his acting? Did anyone notice after filming shitty angled fish eyed lens shot that this talentless fuck should not be even in front of the camera nor given the fucking ability to shoot a movie of himself at all?

    Jesus fucking christ, where the fuck is your pride for producing quality work as an artist? Whatever though, once you’re done 69ing each other’s dick over the idea of being the white jackie chan wanna be.

    Good job, live your CaucAsian fantasy.

  49. Welll…one final offer. Next time I will write a social justice story to make everyone happy. It will be Honey Bunches of Oats vs gay people. I’m a house DJ, so you can imagine who I’m gonna let win that one.

    I have no problem with people calling me ignorant, insensitive, hypocritical, etc. I’m not perfect and we’re all affected in ways we don’t always comprehend by the ambient stupidity of the world. But a lot of people in this thread have been going out out of their way to be the pot that calls the kettle black – to try to rival any prejudice and lack of empapthy. Like Honey Bunches expressing “I can’t believe them FAGS said YELLOW” or others saying “those white guys MUST BE fratboys who made a film about Asians who MUST KNOW kung fu.” Blake was only screwing with you by playing EXACTLY into the stereotype you guys set up for him. The difference is our stereotypes were limited to an action crime noir film specifically about CRIMINAL INDIVIDUALS (white, Asian, and black), so the characters buy into douchebag sterotypes and tradition. But you guys aren’t talking about characters in a film or just people with criminal lifestyles, you are making broad assumptions about real people. I guess we’re all f*cked up, no one better than the other, unless your ego says otherwise. I can’t do anything about that.

    What I can say is that our affiliate stunt/MA crews around the world (yes even big cities) all have multicultural members and we’re all best friends – if the rest of the world was like our friends, you wouldn’t need to be waking up everyday looking for injustice to fight. I have no reason to believe most of you are not genuine. There are however some soldiers who hope peace never comes because soldiering is what they like to do. As for our circle, smart martial artists can’t afford prejudices and stereotypes. It would obstruct their survival instinct.

    If you ask any of our friends “who are you?” you’d get a long list of descriptors including name, hobbies, work, passions, long before skin color. To some of you that might be weak – you might think people have sold out their culture. We’re just beyond it, man. We’re individuals. The difference in skin tone only makes us a more beautiful and visually interesting group, and sometimes harder to light when we’re doing fight scenes together. We’ve moved forward, into the future, and left the past noise and drama behind. Not forgotten, but not reveled in.
    I know where you guys are coming from in social activism because I see racism still exists en force. And circles like ours could be frustrating to some activists. Because we’ve just decided to move on together in love and brotherhood and do our thing and leave all the stupidity behind – whereas the activists might insist the stupidity needs to be addressed. I agree that’s the right thing for you, and moving on to our own path in life is the right thing for us.

    The truth is I’m too much of a weirdo to actually identify with any group. I long ago rejected most of the tools of racism – specific social groups, organized religion, cultural traditions. I hate mob mentality and am pessimistic of ALL PEOPLE EQUALLY. So I see everyone’s individual stories instead.
    I’m also of a scientific mindset. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RACE AMONG HUMANS. There is NOT enough genetic difference amongst any humans to constitute “races.” There might be more genetic difference between me and a bald redhead than me and an Asian or African man. With this mindset, it’s very difficult to actually buy into racist theories.

    ***Long story short. We made a crime noir about the Mafia vs the Triad. Keeping with the genre, all the characters were criminal, and all douchebags. They bought into their own sterotypes, they indulged in violence, and they all suffered greatly for it.
    If you think this is a manifest that all Asian are Triad douchebags, and all Italians are Mafia douchebags, and all Russians are poorly-acted hitmen, then you might have brain problems.
    Everyone was a sleazy criminal in Snatch, in Boondock Saints, in Road to Perdition, in Sin City – and I don’t think they were trying to send a racist message any more than SPL or Brother or Young and Dangerous or Dead or Alive, etc.***

  50. For the record Micah, not everyone that is commenting is from your film or from our blog. We do have (a few) readers.

    And I appreciate you getting involved, since you’re the film’s director. And you are correct, you made a film about gangsters, and it’ll be difficult to make them 3 dimensional and not be criminal. But my point is the White Guy saving the Asian girl and outdoing the Asian guy in his own game (karate, drifting, ping pong) is a tired storyline. We wrote about this in September in a blog post called the Daniel Larusso Plotline:

    http://bicoastalbitchin.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/the-daniel-larusso-plot-line/

  51. You know instead of working on my own script for an action-adventure film about two Pacific Islanders from Guam trying to make a ludicrous archaeological discovery that would prove that Guam settlers discovered the San Francisco Bay Area before Spanish explorers (and you can view a test video here: http://www.vimeo.com/3073831) I have to check back and add some more comments to these posts.

    First off: Cheezu Panda, your description of “yellow peril” reads right out of my course reader from AAS 205, “Asian Americans and American Ideals and Institutions” at San Francisco State University. By the way, 90% of those kids in that class were Asians from the neighboring neighborhoods or straight from over the East Bay; none of them cared about what was going on in class as most of them were too into watching movies on their laptops. It’s not just the majority “white” culture you have to convince to care, it’s 90% of your ethnic peers that again are “white” because they too grew up privileged in the U.S. and do not have nor will they probably EVER face any significant sense of racism.

    And continuing with what you mentioned about how Eric will never know what is like to be judged, etc. Neither will you or at the very least, again, 90% of those kids in the university classroom. Because they are also “WHITE” and will never experience being denied for a mortgage loan (in fact, their hook up with the Asian real estate office in the Inner Richmond will almost nab them a loan amidst the shrinking credit market because Asians in San Francisco have proven to be very credit-worthy, a great stereotype to have), or having their property taken away, etc.. Not to say that the effects of racism aren’t still prevalent in society in the present day, but you’re only getting angry at the majority “white” person for either promoting it, not doing anything to change it, or not being aware of it. You’re so much more biased to be angry at a “white” majority person because you feel that THEY have the responsibility to change it. GROW UP. It’s everyone’s responsibility. If you’re going to be angry and call people out, then you need to use the same criteria against your ethnic peers, but you don’t which is completely biased. Case in point, like I said earlier, if this movie was made by some Asian Filmmakers this blog post would NEVER have been written.

    Also regarding racism, true, like many have said, just because it wasn’t meant to be racist, doesn’t mean that it is, but it’s only because you’ve noticed this particular example of unintentional racism that everyone on this blog is up in arms (that and the ensuing defensive satirical remarks by Blake and Eric). Every culture has racism and stereotypes just like every school has a bully and a geek. It is in the foundation of human society. As noble as it is to crusade against it, I’m critical of your sense of judgment when people post satirical crap on the web and do not expect to get hammered for it or feel fully justified and even empowered by it. It is impossible to make a cultural product like a movie without invoking stereotypes.

    And while you THINK you are justified in posting a satirical blog post about the film that demonizes Blake, Eric, and Micah as a means of “educating” the filmmakers about the stereotypes in their movie an email would’ve been a lot more civil and effective. You can hide behind your accomplishments in the Asian American community like I can hide behind my own “Asian” good guy credentials, but that doesn’t excuse that what you did was, in all honesty, primarily for the enjoyment of you and your blog readers at the expense of Blake, Eric, and Micah’s reputation and hard work and not to educate them or other people. Do not act like when you came up with those witty lines and clicked “post” you knew exactly what you were doing. The filmmakers ARE geeks and you’ve bullied them completely and like geeks, the typical response is to laugh at themselves about it or use humor to smooth it over to avoid further conflict, not to bombard obscenities back like other blog posters. And this is why I’m upset, because racism is racism and being a bully is being a bully, and I’m not going to use humor to smooth things over with bullies, I’ll use the same words, thoughts, and ridiculous academic concepts to stand up to bullies.

  52. Have you seen Planet B-Boy? I love how creative the Japanese B-Boys are and how technical the Korean B-Boy scene is. Being a DJ and dancer I love how the hip hop culture expanded and became stronger through cultural pluralism. More diverse competition bred higher caliber performance. I love seeing the best individual crew win. I remember when Japan first took the DMC championship. I never viewed it as Japanese people trying to reign in on ish we pioneered in the Bronx (and later popping and locking from Cali). I just thought “damn, we were some good teachers and this time, another crew from another land put so much passion and energy into what we pioneered that they won the gold.” I was freaking stoked at how cool that was.

    Maybe that’s ok with rap, b-boying, jazz, cutting records and scratching, heavy metal, techno, etc, but not ok with martial arts or drift racing? A white guys winning a drift race is no more problematic to me than Yao Ming beating my black friends in basketball.
    The cultural characterization and it’s context to the film genre might be problematic. We’ve already discussed the crime noir characters in Dogs. In Tokyo drift, the only guy we have any liking of is the Asian friend, but all the characters in the film are involved in illegal activities risking innocent peoples saftey. It should not come as a surprise that they are all douchebags. As such it makes sense the main villain is overprotective and/or abusive of his lady, and as someone who would put up with that she has self-destructive and submissive psychological issues. The slow-thinking white guy has the only likable character for a teacher (who has reasons not to upset the villain personally) and slightly less character flaws than the bad guy, so he wins. You can view the film as everyone being individuals as I do, you can view the film as a racist who thinks the characters represent society-invented races, or you can view it as a reactionary who gets pissed off because you know what the racists are thinking.

    Why is last samurai worse than Tokyo drift? I’ll tell you. Because the main character has way more character flaws than his “teachers” but ends up excelling beyond them. It’s not believable. Unlike Tokyo Drift or Dogs where the characters are all douchebags, the main samurai guys in Last Samurai are pretty cool, and Tom Cruise is douchebaggy. If they removed Tomcat from the film, they could have done an entertaining and informative period epic instead. Course, Hollywood wouldn’t fund it.

    I totally get what you’re saying about the white guy “deliverer” plot. From your point of view that makes total sense. From our point of view the heritage of the actor playing our main character doesn’t matter (as we’ve done films with Black and Asian and Native American leads in the past).

    As anyone from my crew will tell you, I only have one story, a lame rehash of Romeo and Juliet I tell again and again. And I’m currently working on a post-apocalyptic Romeo and Juliet script now, hehe.

    To fulfill the Romeo and Juliet ripoff in Dogs, the antihero had to be from a different societal set than the girl, and we knew the girl would be Huyen because she’s amazing. To be a strategic choice for the Triad to employ, he had to be able to infiltrate the Mafia. Only someone who looks like them could do that (since the Mafia characters are racist). And finally Eric is an amazing choreographer and screenfighter who did a great job in his first serious dramatic role. It’s logical to us to choose Eric. It makes sense if you view it from a literary and practical standpoint.

    Still I have no problem with you lumping it in with Tokyo Drift and Last Samurai because it’s easier that way.

    We’re martial artists so we witness that sometimes a black guy is better, sometimes a white guy is better, sometimes the Asian guy, the Latino guy, etc. Martial arts is globalized – mad respect to Shaolin, but MA is worldwide now. A huge part of real combat martial arts is to not limit ourselves. Jack got his ass kicked, was shot, and left for dead. It WAS NOT his whiteness that gave him the strength to fight on and overcome his adversaries. It was his LOVE for the girl. But because I like old Shaw brothers films, I also felt that Jack had a superior teacher which helped him. Wei was superior because his insistence that Jack learn overall strategy and philosophy and not just fighting techniques.

    Heartthrob, I think we could both do a better job of putting ourselves in each others shoes. I’m uncomfortable and vocal around racism in real life, which is why I’ve found such a great circle of diverse people to call my friends. It seems like many of the guys here may be confronted with racism everyday, and might have a constant distrustful edge because of it. I can dig that. I just moved out of a poor bad neighborhood to a poor nice one and it took a long time for me to trust people on the street and go out unstrapped. I feel like even though our broad circle has moved beyond racial concerns, we might not always be sensitive to the people who have are still dealing with it everyday and are always freshly sore about it. On the other hand, I wonder if a couple people here have been racially harassed for so long that they have become conditioned to be offended by ANY thing and “fight back”; that everything they see is twisted into a racist attack. If I made Jack Asian these individuals would claim I’m saying all Asian are trigger-happy psychopaths, which would be MUCH more fodder for racist people in the current state of world news. That kind of paranoia (both when justified and when unjustified) seems like a miserable way to live, and I feel sad for them. I hope they can find peace in this imperfect world.

    Respect.

  53. honey bunches of oats-

    This is actually a nice post in response to what you wrote because I mostly agree with your views on my acting abilities, so please read what I have to say.

    I’m also very critical of my performance in the film. I’m an amateur screenfighter, and my skills still leave a lot to be desired. I also think that there are some great points being made here regarding some racial problems with Dogs, and these are being taken to heart by everyone.

    But you use words like “vanilla” and “faggot”, and you post using a monicker. You know what you wrote is ugly, which is why you would never use your real name or sign what you wrote. You won’t take responsibility for what you say because you know it’s embarrassing. When you know what you’re saying is ugly and you won’t accept responsibility for it, then it’s automatically discarded as trite, even by people who would otherwise agree with your viewpoint (me included, I don’t like my acting in Dogs).

    If you can own up to what you say but don’t want to post it here, EMAIL ME at STUNTPEOPLE AT YAHOO DOT COM and I’ll be happy to exchange KIND words with you. I’m actually really nice, and there won’t be any disrespect from me.

  54. Just to be consistent, I’m also not keen on phrases like “me love you long time” and the likes. I think both sides could be much more productive if they stopped trying to be racially “witty” and stick to the real issue.

  55. I know our movie has flaws and what not but I actually really like Eric’s performance in Dogs Of Chinatown. It’s exactly what Micah and myself wanted from that character so if there’s anyone to blame then feel free to put that on the two of us. Eric works very hard to improve his physical skills and is also working hard on his acting skills. As fledgling filmmakers it’s very nice to have talent that you can grow with. I wouldn’t hesitate one bit and can’t wait to put him in more films. I know he’s going to work hard to give us the best he’s got. Obviously, we didn’t have tons of money and access to any actor in Hollywood. I’m very proud of what we were able to accomplish with our first real feature film and fortunately it looks like it will be profitable and has gotten us some attention from other production companies so we’ll probably get to make more. We are very aware of our shortcomings with this film and do hope to improve with our next attempt. We also appreciate intelligent criticism as well. So keep it coming.

  56. i think you faggots are not getting my point.

    How about this, i am a half chinese half black that is gay and i live in brooklyn.

    Does me calling you a faggot for your acting, filming, and scriptwriting have more of an effect now? Am i justified now in saying that the white knight persona is a tired cliche only celebrated by the fantasies of rice chasing fetishes? Is it?

    Fuck no, shit doesnt matter who the fuck i am. But as a gay man that came from ny calling you a faggot means that you guys are faggots. I am here to express disdain for this story, film, and direction; no matter how ugly my post seems. Seriously, this eric douche mumbles every fucking word, why make him lead? Why didnt you use that filipino cat he fought as lead? He acted better and fought better. Eric looks like he took a year of tae bo ane he thinks hes jackie now. That right there solidifies that he wants to be the lead to be the white guy that gets the asian girl. And eric, youre a faggot, that nice white guy booshit facade further exacerbates your image of trying to be the understanding white man. And stop promoting your site, faggot. God, stop sucking your own dick, even im not that gay.

    Micah, fuck you and your “im a dj and i love bboying” comment. I dont remember a honkey showing up at shows of shan or krs back then, shut up. House dj? “Kill that noise,” this isnt “play that funky music white boy.” Do yourself a favor and start being a better director and direct capable people, and drop this eric douche. You’re not going to get respect with him, though the other people are great though. You have talent just poor decision making skills. Just wait, after you bust a nut from eric blowing you, you will see how bad an idea it is.

    Blake, fuck you. Thats it. You just fucking suck. Faggot.

  57. Whatever you are doesn’t really change what you say. An angry Chinese/Black gay guy who writes ugly is still just an angry dude who writes ugly. I don’t understand your logic that your being gay qualifies you to say that I am too, or that I’m a sissy or whatever “faggot” means to you. But it’s okay. Criticism like this is kind of useless for me, but I’ll still try to get to the bone of what you’re saying.

    I’ve been going to acting classes lately so I’m hoping to up the ante next time around. Micah really wanted me to sound depressed and ‘low’ and so I tried to pull that off, though not to great effect.

    Ray’s a great actor indeed. Maybe he could’ve pulled off a better Jack, but the story called for a white guy, as Micah has explained. You might disagree with his choice, but I urge you to watch the whole film to make a more comprehensive critique rather than just watching the trailer.

  58. man… toucan sam sure was angry!! maybe he’s angry at himself? i can’t really say, i don’t know him. lots of anger though. that dude needs less caffine

  59. Frankly, it is insulting, disrespectful, and ignorant for a person to compare the races of people that have been brutalized by the KKK, with the KKK. I am proud of my culture and appreciate the history of my people, not at the expense of others. I don’t hate white people, burn crosses on their lawns, or burn their churches. I don’t hate other Asians who do not share my point of view, but I do ask that they have an educated point of view.

    If you can say that there is no such thing as an Asian stereotype after learning about the history of Asians in America and the discrimination that we face from Massachusetts to Oregon, then good for you that you are able to resolve these issues within yourself. As for me, I’ve lived in the Midwest where I felt that to accepted amongst my white group for friends, I had to either a) be a soft-spoken submissive girl who likes cute things; b) laugh along with them when they made racially offensive jokes as NOT to seem like a spokesperson for the race; or c) deny my culture as not to appear “weird”; all this because I felt like this was the accepted “Asian” person in America. But after I read up on the history of Asian immigration into America, took ethnic studies, joined the Coalition for Asian Pacific American Community Development, and mentored financially disadvantaged kids on the south side of Chicago, Oakland, and Portland, I realized that there is nothing wrong with being proud of your culture and all its accomplishments. I also learned that there is much more that we need to do to bridge the gap between the American and Asian/African/Pacific Island cultures in order to have an equal footing in society. Saying that stereotypes, racism, and ignorance does not exist (ahem, Rep. Brown of Texas), laughing along with racially offensive language, or joining the 90% of the Asians in Kahana’s SFSU Asian Studies class who are apathetic to these issues will not help to bridge this gap.

    So here’s my issue with Asians Americans who continue to play the “submissive Asian female”, “comedic one –liner Chinese Kung Fu master”, “Japanese schoolgirl”, or a member of a martial arts gang – I’m not saying these people do not exist because they do. But the Asian man who puts on a uniform and saves a child from a burning building also exists, the Asian woman with 4 kids and a dying husband do persevere, and Asian children who struggle from their parents’ divorce are real. So the next time you say that stereotypes don’t exist in movies, think about all the roles that Asians play in American films. White men play roles that range from the mob-boss to the president of the United States. As for Asians, they play roles that white men view Asians to be, either from their superficial travels to Asia, their Asian American girlfriend (the same girlfriend who watched these films), or Asian popular culture that conformed to fit the American taste and perception (e.g. Gwen Stefani’s Harajuku girls).

    And maybe for most people, TV, movies, and music don’t impact society. But for the immigrant child whose parents can only speak their native language, they use television shows to learn English. For adolescent Asians in white-suburban America who are confused about who they are and their place in America (and all they know about Asian history is Japan’s role in WWII) movies help to shape their identity. And the way we have all been inspired by a book that we’ve read or a music we’ve heard because they spoke to our situation and showed us a way out, the same goes for a kid living in the ghettos or an immigrant community, whether these messages are positive or not.

    So actors, directors, producers, especially Asians ~ don’t think what you do isn’t important in shaping society. You have an art, talent, and platform to change America’s views of who we are. You have the ability to show people in America, from North Carolina to California, that there is more to being Asian than martial arts and massage parlors. And you’re right, blogging about racism in a satirical way does not eliminate racism. Hell, blogging about racism in any way doesn’t eliminate racism. But you know what I like about AsAm blogs? It reminds me that racism and stereotypes still exists in our society. Even if I’m in the comfort of my Inner-Richmond home, going to my local Asian real estate office, and buying groceries on Clement, I am aware that there are other Asians in American who do not have this luxury. So I go out and build awareness, mentor kids to be strong and proud individuals, and rally volunteers to campaign for civil liberties so that WE can eliminate racism in America.

    So I’m gonna end this long comment here and say so long to everyone on this post. A wise man once told me that you can’t change peoples’ mind but you can change their lives. I think I’ve exhausted all efforts to change your mind so I’m gonna spend my time more wisely by doing what I can to change peoples’ lives and maybe then they can change their minds. Peace.

  60. “Whatever you are doesn’t really change what you say. An angry Chinese/Black gay guy who writes ugly is still just an angry dude who writes ugly.”

    No shit, Sherlock, that’s what I FUCKING SAID.
    Get this man a plaque for having a PhD in OBVIOUS.

    Also, you think I made up all of these criticism from your trailer? My in-depth analysis of your douchery was derived from the 3 minute montage shitfest?

    I, unfortunately, happened to see your screening. And, much like aznheartthrob, my opinions do not change, but what’s the reason of repeating it, right? Cheezu made a point, I can’t change your way of thinking so if you’re going to make a movie, then by all means, go right on ahead. I’m not telling you to stop making your “films.” All I know is that if I see Eric Jacobus anywhere on the cover/box/credits – I’ll make sure to hold in the laughter while I walk away from it. Better to just avoid the shit rather than stepping in it carelessly.

    Much like now.
    Good luck to you all.

  61. Oh you came to the screening? How come you didn’t come up and talk to me like this blog’s author did? I would have rather had you told me this stuff to my face because it has a lot more meaning that way, plus I doubt you’d use the word “faggot” and “talentless fuck” in public, and your critique would hold more water that way. Were you at the first or second screening? Maybe you should check out Contour. It’s way different, you can buy it at http://contour.strongvon.com or just Netflix it.

    And now that cheezupanda has left the conversation, I’ll never find out why he lumped me in his racist category and claimed my comments were derogatory. You don’t change people’s lives by lumping them together based on association. I thought that was what you were fighting against.

  62. “I’ll never find out why he lumped me in his racist category and claimed my comments were derogatory. You don’t change people’s lives by lumping them together based on association.”

    I think it’s because he also thought you were a talentless douche.

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  64. God why do I keep coming back here? Maybe it’s still my trying to get over the showering praise I keep receiving on the street for my performance in Dogs. Toucan Sam keeps my ego in check, like South Park did with that rapper, whoever he was.

    “I’ll never find out why he lumped me in his racist category” -> “I think it’s because he also thought you were a talentless douche.”

    I didn’t realize the terms ‘racist’ and ‘talentless douche’ were interchangable. Thanks for clarifying. I hadn’t realized the whole time you were just calling me a racist. And that’s something I’m definitely not.

    So now I feel better about what you’ve said to me.

  65. you know honestly i’ve experienced more racism from asian people than i ever have from white people. the white people i know were much more accepting of me being mixed than a lot of asians i knew. i remember one day back in highschool some guy comes up to me:

    him: you’re half white and half asian?
    me: yea…?
    him: damn if i was half white, i’d cut the white half off!

    kinda sucks cuz i’ve always identified with my asian side more but always had a much more difficult time being accepted by my asian peers.

    /shrug

  66. goddammit, how much power trip can one garner from taking a class, seeing the trailer of a b-movie, and getting dissed by white girls? empowerment and whining is so not the same thing. cheezus panda is panda-ing to people who’d read that extra bell hooks book, as these so-called activists and academics shamelessly appropriate words and terms by black activists in the 60s and 70s and pretending all experiences with racism are the same. Shit I’ve been to college too. Be original and use your own words. You’re mixing ignorance with racism and you’re demonizing a couple of amatuers and re-iterating things that academics were saying to TV-execs in the 70s. Did you time-travel? How did you learn to use the internet so quickly?

    and toupac sham who keeps on saying faggots is definitely whining. I wonder how many white girls he lies about boning. he’s clearly sexually frustrated and blaming it all on white guys in possibly the easiest American city for an Asian man to score on the field. and if you don’t live in the Bay area, move your pent up angry ass over here and get yourself some lovin, from ladies or dudes, whatever you’re into.

  67. “I didn’t realize the terms ‘racist’ and ‘talentless douche’ were interchangable. Thanks for clarifying. I hadn’t realized the whole time you were just calling me a racist. And that’s something I’m definitely not.”

    Sure eric, whatever you wanna tell yourself. You’re still a talentless douche and this movie and that contour one is proof for anyone to see.

    “I wonder how many white girls he lies about boning. he’s clearly sexually frustrated and blaming it all on white guys in possibly the easiest American city for an Asian man to score on the field.”

    Coming from this faggot that doesn’t know how to read. White girls, that’s classic sweetie.

  68. hey lucas- “i’ve experienced more racism from asian people than i ever have from white people. the white people i know were much more accepting of me being mixed than a lot of asians i knew…kinda sucks cuz i’ve always identified with my asian side more but always had a much more difficult time being accepted by my asian peers.”

    While i understand that your experience of not being accepted by your peers is difficult, i’m willing to bet that most racially mixed people, such as yourself, will still experience racism from white folks because…well – you’re not really white.

    i can’t tell you how many times white people have tried to demonstrate their “acceptance” by taking a sudden sexual interest in my asian-ness or thinking it’s appropriate to tell a racist asian joke in front of me. when an asian person makes the rare joke about my whiteness- even if it’s done in a way that’s rude or tactless- i don’t go so far as to consider it “racism”. Jokes like these merely point out the white power and privilege that I’ve inherited, that my asian peers have been excluded from. I’d much rather deal with this kind of discomfort- and in fact feel that i should- rather than allowing white peers to exotify me or try to minimize my ethnicity. that, lucas, is called racism.

  69. If I was about to say in public what you say in the safety of the internet, toucan, I would also be too embarrassed to say it to Eric’s face.

    Keep an eye your blood pressure.

  70. ok so maybe i used the term racism a little loosely for my comment, but that’s kind of the trend on this thread anyway right? cuz talentless douche = racist as well?

    that guy in highschool wasn’t a friend of mine making some silly racial joke with me. he was just trying to be an ass to me to get other people to laugh at what he said and at me. only real time i’ve been made to feel like less of a human being was when i was around my asian “friends” cuz i wasn’t asian enough. good news for me though, i got new friends! =)

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  72. I’ll be so base and just reply:

    “lolololol eric dick suckers!”

    If the intellectual posts weren’t enough for you guys, I was hoping talking in your own level would. I just completely understand now that neither wouldn’t work. You are all so wrapped up in defending this orientalist piece of shit to be able to accept what many others have been trying to break down in this society.

    Anyways, we all tire from this.
    Continue to defend your movie, I doubt that would raise any more interest in a lousy film.

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  74. Wow…alot of replies on this post

    theres a huo jia saying, that it doesnt matter how much others try to tear you down, you shouldnt hate them, but just try to improve yourself, make yourself stronger, and you will improve the situation in the end.

    People who make movies like this—they will never change, neither will the people who work for them. The fact that ignorant people continue to produce media such as this only demonstrates the need for minority communities to support their artists so we can have a greater voice in defining ourselves through arts.

    Theres a couple such as wongfu productions,…justin lin’s production team….rumble productions (aus)….just kidding films…not to mention the rising number of AzN music artists out there such as jennifer chung..kathy nguen…chuckie akens……shogunna…..Far*east movement….all producing quality stuff.

    We should just ignore the haters and concentrate on supporting artists that are more real , innovative, creative and ultimately more accurate representation of artistic expression.

    I mean seriously, excluding the racial politics… its not very original to repeat the same old formulaic flick where the stale old kung fu storyline has been done to death…..not interesting at all.

  75. This was very informative, my experience in weapons is very limited, to the Jo and the Bokken and even less in Iaido. To me this was very interesting and exciting! I love to see all different things martial arts!

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